Monday, September 23, 2013

Chasing the Origin of My Middle Name. VINE


John Vine Holt  1 , 2 and 3

 Taken off the users website on Rootsmagic 6       Holty1352 Genealogy 

I tried about 6 or 7 years ago and now I will try again  . I can trace Mums side back for "forever" because they were crooks , coppers , land barons , some all three but  for the "man of the woods"  ! :)    I hope someone out there knows of some LEADS .   

Thanks  Holty...


As usual I'm playing with my brain and AGAIN trying to find the origin of my middle name , Vine . I have hit the brick wall at John Hoult married to an Ann Vine in Loughborough so if anyone can help .

They lived at No 22 Pinfold Gate Loughborough in Leicestershire at the 1851 census .The ages listed v names confirms . It seems John Jnr and his wife Eliza (from London) where living with Mum and Dad prior to their emigration to AU in 1852 (see above). Other members of the house where Eliza (1835-) , Hugo(1837-), James (1832-) ,Samuel Walter (about 1828) and William (1827-). Both Johns where labourers and the girls including mother worked in the cotton mills. I have cross ref this with a later census and found John Sr and ANN in their 70s still living at the same address without kids ! and still working . John is now a gardener after being a Sexton as well (Hmmm?)


Two of the kids stayed close by living in Sparrow Hill and Baxter Gate with Hugo being around in the 1891/1901 census married to another Ann, (Elizabeth) with heaps of kids including a daughter Eliza (another one) still living at home at 39 years , a brother James also at home at 30 and Sarah 25 as well .Very unusual for 3 of the 4 eldest to still be at home . They appear in the 1881 and 1891 census as well and looks like they never left home or married ? WHY


William who was born in Stanford ( the only child that was) married another ANN from Hathern and where living in Sparrow Hill in 1861 but then"disappear" until 1891 census living in 8 Albert Court aged 64 and 51 looking after their "nephew Joseph Black aged 13 ".


Yes there at least 3 Ann Hoults living within a few 100 yards of each other in the mid to late 1800s. I can understand why people get lost or deviate with written records if you don't stay focused .It would be much easier if I could access these original census and parish records myself.



And a bit of fun .........
6 DEGREES of SEPARATION ?
"Aren't you the bloke on the 10 dollar note ?"

When I walked into the Henry Lawson Museum at Gulgong the woman looked up and shit herself !

The Caterpillar  Holt .
Almost 20 years ago  and trust me , money means VERY little ..

The wedding ring is a dead "give away" and I still have that head of hair  :)

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